Re: A330 vs. B767

Date:         31 Dec 99 17:11:13 
From:         james matthew weber <jmweber@goodnet.com>
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"Brute!" wrote:
> On 17 Dec 99 01:57:55 , "Robert Wright" <kdol97@home.com> wrotd:
> >>who knows, it all depends how desperate Boeing is in selling some more
> >>767-400's, and may be the 767-400 is cheaper on the shorter flights then
> >>A330 ?.
> >
> >    I think the 767-400 is pretty much always cheaper to operate at a given
> >distance than the A330.  It's a smaller airplane overall, with smaller
> >engine (in terms of weight and frontal area=drag).  Of course, the A330 has
> >a lot more room for cargo and fuel, so it will always have a capacity and
> >range adcantage.  The 767 is about as stretched as it's going to get, and
> >there's not much extra range to be had either.  So, as usual, the choice
> >comes down to the specifics of the airline's needs.  If you want very tight
> >control of seat/mile costs and don't need extreme range you go with the 767.
> >If, however, you are looking for the same size (passenger count) airplane
> >but need every bit of range you can get, you go for the A330.
>
> The A330 is almost the exact same size as the 777-200, whereas the
> 767, even the -400, is notably smaller. So I think the comparison
> isn't very fair. We should be comparing the A330 to the 777.

Huh???

           length  wingspan wing area          MGTOW     mlw
777-200      209    200         4600          545,000   445,000
767-400      201    170         2800          450,000   335,000
A330-300     209    198         3900          478,000   395,000
A330-200     194    198         3900          507,000   397,000
777-200ER    209    200         4600          656,000   470,000

If we compare the shrunken A330-300 (which isn't selling very well) to
the no longer available base model 777-200 perhaps ...

In terms of actual passenger capacity there is little difference between
the A330-200, which is what seems to be selling the best, and the
767-400. There is a large difference in range, and the A330 probably has
a substantial advantage in freight lift.

I don't think anyone would serious suggest a comparison between an A330
and a 777-300.

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