Re: airliner market analysis [long]

Date:         26 Apr 98 03:44:48 
From:         "Thomas A. Beckley" <>
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> EHaase2463> I know that Delta uses L-1011's on some high volume, short
> EHaase2463> distance routes in the U.S.  Wouldn't the 757-300 work well
> EHaase2463> on these routes? Do you think that Delta will merely use its
> EHaase2463> older 767's on these routes as the L-1011's are phased out?
>Delta's designated replacement for the L1011-1 are L1011-500 in the short
>term (L1011-1s are being pulled out of service and replaced on domestic
>routes by previously international L1011-500s). The L1011-1 (think
>"domestic version") has a range of 3,240 miles (DL's website) and seats
>300 passengers in a 2 class configuration.
>The L1011-500 has a range of 5,300 miles (again, DL's website) and seats
>only 218 passengers. So while one could argue the L1011-500 and 757-300
>are in the same vague class, it's a bit of a push, especially because DL
>really wanted a L1011 class plane for *domestic* traffic. And they found
>one. And Boeing sells it. It's the 767-400. 245 passengers in 3 class
>config (304 in 2 class). The 767-400 has a range of 6,400 miles.

You're really confusing me here ...

First, the L1011-500 capacity of 218 is in three class configuration, so
it's two class configuration is larger than that by a dozen or two seats at
least.  The 757-300 can seat 240 in a two class configuration.  The L1011
has a greater capacity ... but not by much, so I'm a little confused as to
why it's a push to put them in the same vague class.

The 245 capacity of the 767-400 compared to the 218 of the L1011-500 is not
too significant, until you consider that the 767 has 8 more first class
seats and 20 more business class seats, so the 767 really is a bigger plane
than the L1011.

>So Delta will be able to deploy the 767-400 to replace *either* long range
>routes formerly operated by the L1011-500 (which are being pulled out of
>international service by the way, and being replaced by 767-*300s*, at
>exactly the same seat count in a 3-class config (218)), or short range
>high density routes (269 passengers in 2 class, so about 30 less than the
>L1011-1). Delta had been searching for a Tristar replacement for years
>(and the 777 wasn't it - too big).

The -300 has the same total seat count, but again, it's with more first and
business class, but this is less significant in this case.

> EHaase2463> The 757-300 appears to be the largest single-aisle plane ever
> EHaase2463> built by Boeing (possibly the U.S. - I know that some of the
> EHaase2463> DC-8's were stretched quite a bit).
>I'm sure Karl Swartz will quote passenger count on the longest stretched
>DC-8s (Karl loves the DC-8 :-). The 757-300 *is* a long single-aisle
>plane, yes. It has been aimed at mostly European charter operators. I'm
>actually quite surprised that more of them haven't ordered it. Just think
>how many passengers they can cram into a space that seats 243 in a mixed
>class (probably close to 300 in a single class 29" seat pitch. ouch. You
>and your 299 closest friends :-).

The Boeing website lists the capacity of the 757-300 in "all-inclusive"
configuration as 279.  I think this may be the maximum of the plane based on
exit criteria, but I'm not sure ...