Date: 13 Mar 98 03:35:29 From: Chuanga@cris.com (H Andrew Chuang) Organization: Concentric Internet Services References: 1 2 3
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In article <airliners.1998.412@ohare.Chicago.COM>, Karl Swartz <kls@ohare.Chicago.COM> wrote: >>SIA will always get a good deal as they may 'really' launch the 345/6 or >>772/3X. So far the commitments for the 345/6 don't include a really big order >>of over 15 firm a/c. > >The A340-500/600 has already been launched, and now has over 100 orders. 100 "commitments" not orders. These commitments include options. Announced firm orders (include letters of intent) consist of 9 -600s from Swissair, 2 -600s from EgyptAir, 8 -600s from Virgin Atlantic, 10 -600s from Lufthansa, 6 -500s from EVA Air, and 5(?) from Air Canada (I don't remember AC's that well). That's only 40. Emirates seems to be the seventh customer, and I doubt it will place more than 6 firm orders. Furthermore, I don't think EVA Air's order is a done deal. >I read something a week or so ago saying the SIA order for a super long- >range airliner would be less than ten units, so they certainly won't be >the first "really big" order for the A340-500 if they go that way. With only 8 or 9 announced intended orders for the A340-500 (from EVA and Air Canada), ten units will more than double the order book! ;-) Although, SIA may need only 10 A340-500s or B777-200Xs, it will also need a significant number of A340-600s or B777-300Xs. Thus, my guess is SIA will order between 20 to 25 of A340-500/600s or B777-200X/300Xs. >>This is also my opinion, but there has been no order for the 773 for 2.5 >>years. This derivative will really start to be interesting if Boeing will >>stop to produce the 744 which would be a direct rival to the 773X. > >The 777-300 is significantly smaller than the 747-400, thought the >difference is not huge. In addition, the ETOPS issue is real -- Virgin >Atlantic, for example, chose the A340 over the 777 in part because they >would have had to fritter away the 777s for about six months while they >gained sufficient experience for ETOPS. That and size will keep the 747 >in the Boeing catalog for a while yet. I thought Virgin intended to use the A340-600 to replace the B747 classics. >>You missed the A310 vs B762 market. There is still a (small) market for >>such an a/c, but I doubt that the investment is worth it. > >No, because Boeing stopped offering the 767-200 years ago. (The airframe >is still produced for the E-767 AWACS, but that's it.) Boeing obviously >agreed with your assesment that the investment wasn't worth even keeping >the model in the catalog. Until last year, Boeing still listed prices for the 767-200 and 767-200ER. This year, Boeing no longer lists the prices for the 767-200 and 767-300. However, the prices for the two ER versions are still listed.