Re: B757/B767/B777 Stearing system?

Date:         26 Jan 98 01:46:31 
From:         kls@ohare.Chicago.COM (Karl Swartz)
Organization: Chicago Software Works, Menlo Park, California
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>Boeing kept the 707 prototype, the 367-80, until they donated it to the
>Smithsonian. Boeing got it back and has it inside plant 2 on the west
>side of Boeing Field.
>I think that when Boeing found out that the Smithsonian had this
>aircraft sitting in a desert boneyard they were not very happy about it
>and they wanted it back.  I'm not 100% sure on that though...

The 367-80 is still owned by the Smithsonian.  They were storing it at
Davis-Monthan AFB because they don't have room for it at the Air & Space
Museum Annex at Dulles.  Boeing and/or the Seattle Museum of Flight
worked out a deal that got the Smithsonian to loan it to the SMoF; it's
at Boeing for restoration.

>I assume the prototype 737-100 was sold to Lufthansa with the rest of
>them.  Later on it was bought by NASA and is used for testing of all

It was not a prototype; it was a regular production aircraft intended
for Lufthansa, as indicated by its 737-130 designation.  (30 being the
customer code for Lufthansa.)  Unfortunately, they bent the fuselage
during flight testing (I'm sure there's an interesting story there but
I don't know it) and, despite it being perfectly airworthy, Lufthansa
didn't want a bent plane.  It was finally sold to NASA on July 26, 1973,
over six years after it's first flight, then donated to the SMoF on
September 20, 1997.  It was stored at Moses Lake, pending completion of
additional space at the SMoF.

>The prototype 767 was sold to the U.S. Army which grafted a huge fairing
>on the top of it to house some kind of laser...possibly the kind that
>shoots down missiles(?)

The project was for infra-red detection, not a laser, and was referred
to by the acronym AOA.

I've seen conflicting reports about whether or not is was sold to the
Army.  Several individuals who work for Boeing and who generally are
trustworthy have posted that it was, but the Jet Airliners Production
List says no.  The FAA data as of December 1, 1997, lists it was being
owned by Boeing Equipment Holding Company, but the registration date
is November 6, 1996, which could mean it was bought back from the Army
or perhaps was just transferred from one part of Boeing to another.

>The 777 prototype is currently being refurbished at the Everett Boeing
>plant for delivery to United Airlines(?).

It's a production model built to the same specifications as United's
planes, not a prototype, but I'm not aware of United having expressed
any interest in it.  United switched to buying the IGW model as soon as
they could.  It is being prepped for sale to an airline, but no buyer
has yet stepped up to the plate.

>Was that the prototype A320 that crashed at that airshow in 1980

The first A320 was retained by Airbus Industrie; the one that crashed
at Habsheim in 1988 was the 9th off the line.

>I think a prototype A330 crashed in flight testing.

The fifth A330 crashed during a test flight.  It was the first to fly
with PW4000 engines but it was not a prototype -- it was a production
model intended for Malaysia Airlines.  There don't appear to have been
any A330 prototypes, which probably makes sense since it uses the same
airframe as the A340.  The first A330 was sold to Cathay Pacific.

>I don't think the prototype A340 has crashed yet... I guess its days
>are numbered.

No A340s have crashed, though one was destroyed by fire while parked
at CDG in Paris.  (The circumstances have always seemed somewhat murky.
Does anyone know the details?)

The first three A340s were all retained by Airbus, though it appears
that only the first was a prototype.  I have no idea why they wouldn't
have sold the other two.

>I don't know about the A300s or A310s, but they're probably okay because
>they don't have that computer controlled flight computer that can't be

I won't rise to the flight controls bait, and I sincerely hope nobody
else will, either -- most of the group is pretty tired of that debate.

In any case, the A300 prototype was retained by Airbus Industrie.
Sometime after 1974, it was broken up, but parts of it were preserved
at Le Bourget Field in Paris.

The first A310 was a production model for Swissair.  It now flies for
Air Liberte under lease from ILFC.

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