Re: 2nd Officer on a 767

Date:         06 Oct 97 02:14:28 
From:         "John Mazor" <>
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k_ish <> wrote in article <airliners.1997.2392@ohare.Chicago.COM>...
> Karl Swartz wrote:
> > The nominal reason for this was that the union felt a third
> > set of eyes was necessary for safety reasons.

> Reminds me of the PSA 727 / Cessna (172?) midair at SAN in 1978.  The
> aircraft were talking to different ATC facilities, who were not fully
> coordinating traffic.  The Cessna was mistakenly vectored in front of
> the 727.
> There was the 3-man flight crew plus 2-3 off-duty flight crew members on
> the flight deck. Five or six sets of eyes failed to see the Cessna on a
> CAVU day.

Yes, but ATC had advised of traffic at a heading.  They did spot traffic
at approximately that location and stopped looking.  Unfortunately, it
wasn't the one that ATC was advising them of.

Of course, if "see and avoid" was all that effective, we wouldn't need
TCAS anyway, right?   ;-)