Re: Q:747-400F vs. 747-200

Date:         03 Aug 97 02:50:13 
From: (Filip De Vos)
Organization: University of Ghent, Belgium
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Andrew Muir ( wrote:

: The biggest problem with the -200 conversion is finding suitable aircraft
: on the market.  There is talk that we will soon start converting -300s, though
: I doubt that we'll shorten the hump.  We may also start to see 767s for
: conversion.

: The biggest advantage of the -400F (or factory built -2/300F) over a converted
(I know of no 300Fs)
Doesn't the 400F also have the top deck removed aft of the door? I recall
earlier discussion here on the NG about how a converted Classic was
damaged when handlers attempted to move a pallet forward, but the load
banged onto the upper deck.

: -2/300 (besides the lift ability) is the nose door.  We do not install the
: swing nose on the converted aircraft.

I read in Flight International (30 April-6 May )that KLM is to convert
747-200 SUD (747-200 converted to 300 standard, with Stretched Upper
Deck). The mod involves shortening the upper deck. I do not know how
pilots are going to get into the cockpit, the SUD has a gull-wing door
halfway on both sides.
I suppose upper deck the door of the Classic is going to be fitted.

The A/C are to be converted by Boeing in Wichita, Bedek Aviation of
Israel lost out due to not having the capacity ready in time.

The bill is $48 million for two conversions. What is the price of a new
747-400F? $140 million?

And in a final question, the 747-100F and 200F used to be delivered with
a cargolift that was stowed in the underside of the nose. The gear could
be removed, yielding 7 ton of cargo capacity! So big cargo airlines that
operate sheduled services like Lufthansa between Frankfurt and New York
removed it, and simply stored handling equipment on their terminals.

I recall reading something about the gear being eliminated from the
747-400F altogether, but am not sure.
(all this from possibly faulty memory, corrections wellcome)

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