Re: Boeing 767 Cockpit Size

From:         kls@ohare.Chicago.COM (Karl Swartz)
Organization: Chicago Software Works
Date:         30 Dec 92 13:27:32 PST
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In article <airliners.1992.209@ohare.Chicago.COM> Tony Heatwole <HEATWOLE@LANDO.HNS.COM> writes:

>    "In August 1981, eleven months before the first scheduled
>    delivery of Boeing's new airplane, the 767, Dean Thornton,
>    program's vice president - general manager, faced a critical 
>    decision ...

>    " . . . Customers were notified of the additional cost and
>    delivery delay they could expect on these thirty planes.  The
>    impact was not large: a small percentage increase in costs and
>    an average delay of one month from promised delivery dates.
>    All but one airline chose to have their planes built with 
>    two-person cockpits."
>
>So, the interesting question is, what was the *one* airline, and
>what has become of their 3-person cockpit 767s?  Were these
>planes later converted to 2-person cockpits?  I don't know the
>answers, but I'm curious.

Here are the first thirty-one 767s:

    ln   sn	 model	first flt	customer	reg'n
    --	-----	-------	---------	--------	-----
     1	22233	767-200	 8/26/81	Boeing		N767BA
     2	21862	767-222	11/ 4/81	United		N601UA
     3	21863	767-222	11/24/81	United		N602UA
     4	21864	767-222	12/19/81	United		N603UA
     5	21865	767-222	 1/18/82	United		N604UA
     6	22213	767-232	 2/19/82	Delta		N101DA
     7	21866	767-222	 3/25/82	United		N605UA
     8	22307	767-223	10/ 6/82	American	N301AA
     9	21867	767-222	 7/20/82	United		N606UA
    10	21868	767-222	 8/13/82	United		N607UA
    11	21869	767-222	 7/19/82	United		N608UA
    12	22214	767-232	 8/27/82	Delta		N102DA
    13	21870	767-222	 9/17/82	United		N609UA
    14	22564	767-231	10/15/82	TWA		N601TW
    15	21871	767-222	10/30/82	United		N610UA
    16	22517	767-233	10/ 9/82	Air Canada	C-GAUB
    17	22215	767-232	 9/25/82	Delta		N103DA
    18	22681	767-209	11/23/82	China Airlines	B-1836
    19	22308	767-223	11/ 1/82	American	N302AA
    20	21872	767-222	 1/27/83	United		N611UA
    21	22565	767-231	11/13/82	TWA		N602TW
    22	22518	767-233	11/ 9/82	Air Canada	C-GAUE
    23	22309	767-223	11/16/82	American	N303AA
    24	22692	767-277	 5/ 4/83	Ansett		VH-RMD
    25	22310	767-223	 1/18/83	American	N304AA
    26	22216	767-232	11/24/82	Delta		N104DA
    27	22217	767-232	12/17/82	Delta		N105DA
    28	22693	767-277	 5/20/83	Ansett		VH-RME
    29	22566	767-231	12/14/82	TWA		N603TW
    30	22567	767-231	 1/28/83	TWA		N604TW
    31	22218	767-232	11/10/82	Delta		N106DA

I know United's are two-man and would bet the same for American,
Delta, and TWA.  Probably Air Canada.  That leaves China Airlines
and Ansett.  I suspect the latter as I recall hearing about some
Australian airline having three-man 767s.  Any Aussie friends know
for sure?  Do their later 767s have three-man crews as well?

BTW, I believe all thirty-one of these are still with their original
owners with the possibly exception of TWA's -- some TWA 767s were
sold earlier this year though I'm not sure if they were the oldest
or newest ones.

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